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    Post by sisterlimonpot Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:26 am

    That's right, BAMBOO!

    Bogdon called me a few weeks back and asked if I would be willing to build him a stand out of bamboo. Having never worked with the material I jumped at the opportunity, little did I know what I was getting myself into.

    As I understand it Bogdon just but put bamboo floors in his house and loved the look so much that he wanted a stand to match the floor. His idea was to take the wood flooring and snap it together and skin a stand with it. My thoughts were that it would look too much like someone taking wood flooring and using it to build a stand. So my idea was to cut off the mortise and tenon joinery and edge glue all the planks together so that the wood wouldn't look like flooring it would look like solid pieces of wood. Again I didn't realize what I was getting myself into. the flooring had a durable finish that had to be removed so that the edge gluing would look seamless, however because the finish was so durable as well as bamboo being such a hard wood removing and resurfacing the wood proved to be a difficult task for my little planer.

    I figured that I could just run the planks through my planer and that would be that, but it wasn't that simple, the planer blades dulled out in no time. My dewalt planer uses throw away blades that can't be sharpened so the thought that I will be going through a lot of blades is sad.

    Anyway enough of me complaining, Bogdon, wanted a very clean look on the outside as well as the inside, he drew inspiration from a thread on reefcentral and wanted a stand similar to Kikireef's. One thing he wanted was a compartment on the side of the stand separate from the sump area to house his calcium reactor and apex. I drew up a plan and we went from there ironing out the details until he and Crystal was happy. Then I got started with the framing.
    Top and the bottom
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    cut off the mortise and tenon joinery and edge glued 4 planks
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    More gluing
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    This is the left side where the separate compartment is going to be
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    Glued melamine down and started to add the studs
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    A lot of intricate joinery throughout
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    and this is where I stopped for the day
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    I had to place the finished piece over to see how it fits.
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    Post by MxReEfEr92 Tue Oct 23, 2012 1:40 am

    I remember working with bamboo in wood shop, tough to work with. I built a cabinet and it sucked I wasted a lot of material.
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    Post by bvysochin Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:06 am

    Jimmy, that looks incredible! Sorry I didn't answer earlier, 6" is what we were shooting for, anything over that is even more awesome! Hopefully those replacement blades get there soon, I'll order the hinges and poly tonight, I've been slacking.
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Tue Oct 23, 2012 8:26 am

    coryg wrote:I remember working with bamboo in wood shop, tough to work with. I built a cabinet and it sucked I wasted a lot of material.
    I wish that I brought it up earlier!! I can check it off my list and say that I never want to work with it again.

    bvysochin wrote:Jimmy, that looks incredible! Sorry I didn't answer earlier, 6" is what we were shooting for, anything over that is even more awesome! Hopefully those replacement blades get there soon, I'll order the hinges and poly tonight, I've been slacking.

    It was tight but there is going to be 6 3/8" in the cubby.

    I was also thinking that it would be a good idea to seal the exposed pine with a white primer.
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    Post by dwolson2 Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:59 am

    Looks good!
    What are you going to do for doors? What about hardware(handles/hinges) Are you going to seal the inside of the stand? Are you going to build anything in for cable management?
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    Post by Crusty Old Shellback Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:08 pm

    What kind of hinges do you want? I've got a drawer full of all kinds. I showed them to Jimmy during the meeting. Euro's, old rustic, polished brass, hidden, front mount, you name it.

    Did you really need to remove the finnish to glue up the pannels? I would think that by cutting off the T&G, there would be enough bare wood for the glue surface. Espically if you used biskets. Being as the finnish is so hard already, I'd have left it on. Also could you not glue up the pannels with the T&G still on? Clamp them together to hide the seam if there was one. Just some arm chair QBing. Wink

    Looks good though. And yes, seal the inside with something. Primer is a start but you want a finish over that, paint or something. Funny seeing you use melamine inside the stand. I did the same thing on a stand I built for one of our other members.

    Oh, which Dewalt planner? DW 735? I think I still have some extra blades if you need them and can pay me back when yours come in. But you need to get them tonight.

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    Post by sisterlimonpot Tue Oct 23, 2012 3:27 pm

    dwolson2 wrote:Looks good!
    What are you going to do for doors?
    They will also be made of bamboo, with a modern contemporary design

    What about hardware(handles/hinges) Are you going to seal the inside of the stand?
    Yes the inside of the stand will be encased in melamine and then caulk all the way around, making it water tight. the wood would need at least a coat of kils to protect it from moisture.

    Are you going to build anything in for cable management?
    I had a few ideas for running wire throughout for placement of the fans but other than that I would like to incorporate some sort of channeling to allow chords to be pulled through from the dry section to the sump section. There's going to be a lot of room on the top of the sump section to add some kind of conduit throughout.


    Crusty Old Shellback wrote:What kind of hinges do you want? I've got a drawer full of all kinds. I showed them to Jimmy during the meeting. Euro's, old rustic, polished brass, hidden, front mount, you name it.
    He had a specific type of hinge that he wanted and I looked through your collection and didn't see anything similar. he wanted these

    Did you really need to remove the finnish to glue up the pannels?
    Yeah I tried to keep the finish but there was no way to blend the 2 finished pieces together, you would have seen where they all connected.

    I would think that by cutting off the T&G, there would be enough bare wood for the glue surface. Espically if you used biskets. Being as the finnish is so hard already, I'd have left it on.
    I wish that I could have

    Also could you not glue up the pannels with the T&G still on? Clamp them together to hide the seam if there was one. Just some arm chair QBing. Wink
    this particular floor had distinct connection points. Gluing them with the t&g was definitely an option but when I showed Bogdon both he wanted it the way I'm doing it. I told him, it's the only way to get my seal of approval.

    Looks good though. And yes, seal the inside with something. Primer is a start but you want a finish over that, paint or something. Funny seeing you use melamine inside the stand. I did the same thing on a stand I built for one of our other members.
    I really like this melamine it cleans up very easily.

    Oh, which Dewalt planner? DW 735? I think I still have some extra blades if you need them and can pay me back when yours come in. But you need to get them tonight.

    Yeah it's the 735 which has the 7352 replaceable blades. Thanks for the offer, I have plenty to do while the new blades come in. One thing that I noticed is that the first rubber roller is starting to fall apart, I need to get with dewalt and see what it would take to replace that roller. I need to do some research to see if that's a normal thing or not.
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    Post by Crusty Old Shellback Tue Oct 23, 2012 9:35 pm

    I have some hinges similar to what you posted, just not that adjustable. Your welcome to look at them. I still have a bunch in buckets that you didn't see. Wink

    My rollers still seem good. But I did break a sprog gear once. I now have a spare. :)The roller shouldn't be too hard to replace from what I've seen.
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Tue Oct 23, 2012 10:58 pm

    Thanks Ray, when you're back in the area I would like to come over and look through your hinges and see what you have for future projects. Having adjustability with the hinges is almost a must in a humid environment.

    The only thing that I got done today was putting the back panel on and squaring the stand.

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    Post by sisterlimonpot Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:07 pm

    Definitely a unique grain pattern.

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    Post by MxReEfEr92 Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:10 pm

    Thats looking GREAT!!! What is that side indentation for?
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:12 pm

    What is that side indentation for?
    for a while.

    Although I'll never work with bamboo again, I have to admit I really like the look.
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    Post by MxReEfEr92 Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:29 pm

    sisterlimonpot wrote:
    What is that side indentation for?
    for a while.

    Although I'll never work with bamboo again, I have to admit I really like the look.

    What do you mean?
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    Post by dwolson2 Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:00 pm

    That compartment on the side is for the CA reactor bottle and the APEX set up.
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    Post by MxReEfEr92 Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:36 pm

    ohh is that going to be covered with a door?
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    Post by dwolson2 Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:38 pm

    Yes, it should.
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:43 pm

    coryg wrote:
    sisterlimonpot wrote:
    What is that side indentation for?
    for a while.

    Although I'll never work with bamboo again, I have to admit I really like the look.

    What do you mean?
    That's what it's for, "for a while"
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:50 pm

    coryg wrote:ohh is that going to be covered with a door?

    sisterlimonpot wrote:
    dwolson2 wrote:Looks good!
    What are you going to do for doors?
    They will also be made of bamboo, with a modern contemporary design
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    Post by Crusty Old Shellback Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:23 am

    Looking good.

    I'll be around next week. Give me a call or PM next week when you decide what day you want to drop by.
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Sat Oct 27, 2012 4:01 pm

    Last night Bogdon came by to drop off the rest of the supplies and a couple more pieces of flooring. He got his first glimpse of the stand and really liked it. He voiced a concern that the weight of the tank will bow the top header and pinch the doors to the point that they wont open. I started to think about it a bit and thought that I could apply some geometry to the build and transfer the down force to the side brace.

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    Coupled with the front bamboo panel, this should eliminate any bow from the long opening.

    I just got done with the right side piece of the stand.

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    Now I think the next step is to glue and screw all 3 panels to the stand.
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    Post by dwolson2 Sat Oct 27, 2012 5:22 pm

    Is the trim on the tank going to be covered by the bamboo
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    Post by bvysochin Sat Oct 27, 2012 7:04 pm

    Tank is rimless and eurobraced starphire.. no trim. But the bottom pane of glass will be covered by the bamboo lip.
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:57 pm

    Glued the sides to the front

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    And glued the entire skin to the 2x4 stand... I used every single clamp, vise grip I had:


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    Next step are the doors, which means that I have to run some more wood through the planer. Fun stuff!! Sad
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    Post by Crusty Old Shellback Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:12 pm

    Thats a lot of overkill on the front. A double uped 2X4 was more than enough. But too late to turn back now.

    Hell, we didn't even use that much when building headders for doors and windows back when I used to build houses and apartments.
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    Post by bvysochin Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:31 pm

    Speaking from experience, when we had Luke's tank, the single 4x4 header sagged over time, and the doors would no longer shut. Granted, that was a 187 gallon tank over a 48" opening, whereas this is 114 gallon tank over roughly a 35" opening. As far as headers and doors, I am no contractor, but when we replaced all the windows and doors, we used 4x6 headers to replace what was existing (back when the house was built in the 50's).
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    Post by Crusty Old Shellback Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:58 am

    I've used doubled up 2 X4's on several tank stand builds with no issues. Are you sure the headder sagged? Or did the wood swell from moisture/leakage? From experience, I suspect the latter. Wink

    My 1951 house has 2 X 4 headders over the 4 foot windows on load bearing walls.

    Have you ever taken a close look at store bought stands? They are made with a single 2 X 4 laid flat on top and bottom with 3/4 plywood or MDF as the walls inbetween. And they last for years. I know because I've had them that long.

    The stand for my 150 tall was built with a single 2 X 4 on top over the door opening and never sagged. I had that tank for 10 years easily before I sold it and the stand.
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    Post by Sandman Mon Oct 29, 2012 12:14 pm

    Stand looks great! Beautiful wood choice, even if it is a pain to work with. Make's it more unique.
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Mon Oct 29, 2012 5:03 pm

    I definitely agree with you Ray, and to add a 4x4 doesn't have the structural strength that two 2x4's stuck together has. I didn't mind putting Crystal and Bogdon's mind at ease, I had a few hours to kill before my help arrived so I made the extra support.

    Store bought stands are built about right, they may lack in support for racking but I think that the folks on the DIY forums go way over board. But in tradition I built this to hold up a house Wink.

    Bogdon,
    The hinges and finish came in this afternoon.
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    Post by Crusty Old Shellback Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:03 pm

    You are correct, the customer is always right. As long as they are happy with it, then no harm, no foul. Just a bit overboard in my opnion.

    Did you glue and screw the 2 X 4's together? That makes them even stronger. Wink

    I've often wondered about working with Bamboo, now I know. However, this bamboo looks to be different that what I normally see. Is it split and then laid flat? Or os it sectional and glued up?
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    Crusty Old Shellback wrote:You are correct, the customer is always right. As long as they are happy with it, then no harm, no foul. Just a bit overboard in my opnion.

    Did you glue and screw the 2 X 4's together? That makes them even stronger. Wink

    Yeah everything is glued and screwed with titebond 3 waterproof wood glue.


    I've often wondered about working with Bamboo, now I know. However, this bamboo looks to be different that what I normally see. Is it split and then laid flat? Or os it sectional and glued up?

    I'm not sure the process of it but it looks like they took the sapwood and heartwood laid it long ways and compressed it altogether with some sort of adhesive. Whatever the process the wood grain is very tight there are some pockets in the wood that are nothing but adhesive...
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    Sandman wrote:Stand looks great! Beautiful wood choice, even if it is a pain to work with. Make's it more unique.

    Thanks, this one is going to be tough to find my signature...
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    Post by dwolson2 Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:27 am

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    Thanks, this one is going to be tough to find my signature...
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:40 pm

    the doors are taking longer than expected.
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    Post by bvysochin Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:40 am

    Crusty Old Shellback wrote:I've used doubled up 2 X4's on several tank stand builds with no issues. Are you sure the headder sagged? Or did the wood swell from moisture/leakage? From experience, I suspect the latter. Wink

    Good point, that's definitely a possibility. I just know we set the tank up in a room, which got thrashed from humidity, and cats. A few months later, the doors on the stand seemed to have warped, and wouldn't shut. By pushing up on the middle section of the stand, you could force the doors to close..

    sisterlimonpot wrote:I definitely agree with you Ray, and to add a 4x4 doesn't have the structural strength that two 2x4's stuck together has. I didn't mind putting Crystal and Bogdon's mind at ease, I had a few hours to kill before my help arrived so I made the extra support.

    You guys are most likely right, it probably was a bit overkill, but we feel better! Smile Besides, the top bamboo strip covers up that entire area, so you won't be able to see the extra support.[/quote]

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    The hinges and finish came in this afternoon.

    Awesome, sorry for the late reply, we just got back in from the happiest place on earth
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Thu Nov 01, 2012 6:44 pm

    bvysochin wrote:
    we just got back in from the happiest place on earth

    Where's that? Norway?


    Three days in the making and here is some progress.

    I glued and milled the pieces for the front doors (16 hours so far on these doors).

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    Here's how those pieces join together:

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    and the dry fit of the door so that I could measure to ensure I didn't mess up anywhere (it would have sucked if I did!!).

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    Milled the center panels for the doors:

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    Another dry fit:

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    I was able to use the table saw as a square jig to ensure that the doors are perfect:

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    Post by sisterlimonpot Thu Nov 01, 2012 10:49 pm

    It has a very rustic look to it.

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    Post by bvysochin Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:42 am

    Sweet Jimmy.. that looks great! Definitely one of a kind!
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:42 am

    Thanks Bogdon. these are the type picture that make it all worth it. I forgot how much I love wood working.
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    Post by Crusty Old Shellback Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:42 am

    Looking good.

    That's an interesting grain patteren for Bamboo. haven't seen one like that before. Can you bring a peice with you when you come over?

    What tablesaw is that?
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:48 am

    ridged 10"
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Sat Nov 03, 2012 2:27 am

    Got the latches put on too

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    Post by sisterlimonpot Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:46 am

    Just pulled the clamps off of the top piece where the tank will actually sit on, it took 9 planks to make this piece.

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    I still have to sand that smooth and make the side door. After that's all done then I will seal the inside with white caulk, primer all the pine wood and then apply a finish to all the bamboo. it's going to look amazing when it's done.

    ***I'd like to thank Derrick for helping me with making the front doors, planing them 1/64th at a time***
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    Post by bvysochin Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:54 am

    Incredible work Jimmy.. let me know if I need to order you some more planer blades. Guess we need to start getting the rest of the equipment ready..
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    Post by dwolson2 Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:53 pm

    sisterlimonpot wrote:
    ***I'd like to thank Derrick for helping me with making the front doors, planing them 1/64th at a time***
    I didn't really help much, but thank you!
    Here is Jimmy in his mask catching the wood I was running.
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:51 am

    haha ha. those wood chips were sharp and I was right in the firing range. but I do make wearing that mask look good.

    I think I figured out what Bogdon is having me build. it's not a fish tank stand, it's going to be a bar. he's having me cut out holes not for the plumbing to the sump but for the beer taps. there's enough room for 2 kegs underneath, and Co2 containers on the side.
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    Post by bvysochin Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:55 am

    You ruined the surprise Sad
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    Post by Crusty Old Shellback Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:28 am

    Should I start brewing now to fill the kegs? Cool

    So what are you going to use for a finish? Spray or brush?

    I can't beleive you don't hook up the exhaust to at least a shop vac to catch everything? That's how I run mine. Wink
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    Post by sisterlimonpot Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:33 pm

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    I decided to keep the stand and put my frag tank on it... Wink
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    Post by dwolson2 Fri Nov 09, 2012 10:43 pm

    LOL, nice. I think he is gong to want you to build another one then!

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